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People Who Dislike Vocaloid

Discussion in 'VOCALOID' started by Woahify, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. Woahify

    Woahify Newbie Player

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    Have you ever met anyone that has insulted your taste in vocaloid music? What have they said? How have you replied?

    I get this one quite often..

    "It's not a real person, it's just a stupid robot voice with no feelings."
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    "This isn't music, how can you like this stuff?!"
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    "This damn Japanese music is ******* annoying!"

    I usually just reply with something along the lines of..

    "Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I respect yours, but please don't insult something I enjoy."

    I try really, really hard to be as polite as I can, but I almost feel as if I am persecuted because of vocaloid. Please, tell me have you ever dealt with this?
     
  2. MikuHatsune

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    Yeah I also know someone who was into Rock Music and stuff and was always like "Vocaloid isn't music, it's just stupid computer squeaking".
     
  3. infinity

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    Whaoo ! Insulted ?

    No, but i don't have teenagers problems like "hey, what are you listening to ? This singer is better than this one, i'm listening to better songs than yours, etc...", you know... childish competition.

    By the way, before knowing Hatsune Miku, i didn't care about Japan music, for me, Japan was the country where Heavy Metal CD have bonus songs LOL.

    So, i understand these guys that are completly rejecting this "music". And this is not a music at all because, there are any kind of musics made with a vocaloid as a singer, from death metal to pop or jazz.

    Well, something sung in a very foreign language, with an electronic/unnatural voice, by something that didn't exist, it's too much in the same time for a newbie.

    But there are haters everywhere in Japan too, in France too, i don't know the others countries but it should be the same.

    If you want to make someone listen to vocaloid, well try first some nico nico singers, i'm thinking about an artist like Nano, she is making english covers of vocaloids songs, and, as she was born in the New-York, her english is perfect, here is her youtube channel, you can also try the oster project big band CD, more jazzy songs

    You can also make then watch some concerts, and tell "OK, you don't know the songs, but look the audience is having a lot of fun, singing all the words".

    you can make them watch some videos like these :



    the Mikumentary too:


    This article too, Alex Leavitt's work too is good

    To tell the truth,i tried to make all my friends listen to vocaloid, results = zero new fans :(

    keep the faith, you know you have the right to listen to the music you like, you are not forced to listen to music that don' t talk to your heart, that's all :)

    And in the end, tell them "hey, look at these girls' cosplays", it's getting interesting now ?? :)
     
  4. Darksidehearts

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    I ignore all the negativity. I like what I like and if other's don't like it then fine, that's their opinion. Most people who know me tend to respect that but there are times, a more recent case of this was with a friend of mine who decided to voice his opinion on a post I made when I got an IA CD.

    From my Facebook account
    -I omitted my friends name but you can find him on my page if you'd like.
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    Friend: "this is sort of like vocaloid?"

    Me: :Sorry for the blurriness in the first photo, my hands have been shaking all day. I haven't been able to get them to stop. Yes indeed: http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/IA"

    Friend: "kinda figures as much. do you at least get to edit what your singing like vocaloid"

    Me: "Well this is not the software, it's an audio CD. I don't have the money to be buying the software and even if I did, I doubt that I'd be able to come up with a good song lol."

    *Continued via chat because he was compelled to chew me out live*
    Ken: "So why waste your time with this if you can't even make something. Don't tell me that you enjoy listening to this crap?"

    Me: "I'm sorry, when were you under the impression that I cared about what you think of my personal tastes?

    Needless to say we came to an understanding but that doesn't always happen with others, another reason I tend to stay to myself.
     
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    Kids react to Hatsune Miku on the Finebros Youtube channel. Although I watched that over a year ago, so it doesn't matter about who likes and dislikes Vocaloid anyways. As long it's not my problem I don't really care.
     
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    hmm well just ignore them, not like they know why we like vocaloids
     
  7. Almeria

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    I don't let most people know I listen to Vocaloid and I'm very picky with song selection so I stand for the songs I like. My closest friends and family know and while they don't approve they try to be polite about it. That doesn't mean they don't sometimes slip up and yell at me to "turn that crap off" when I'm playing PDF. I used to be able to keep it away from them with the PSP but it's hard with the TV...

    And even though the try to respect my choices my mom has cracked a great one when I was showing something Miku-related to a relative:

    "Is that the purple-haired girl from your screen?"

    ....Her hair is green.
     
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    My younger, bratty brother called it a "girl game"..
     
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    Punch him in the face and tell him there are at least as many guys as girls playing these games. Then punch him again for being sexist. (I know violence doesn't solve things, I'm not being serious about that part. Punch him mentally instead! :3)
     
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    The games themselves and the entire Vocaloid franchise for that matter can be for anyone and are not restricted to just one gender. As long as you enjoy playing it, then what others say does not matter.
     
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    DarksideHearts said it better ^^

    It's funny looking back on my 10 month-old post and thinking of how much things have changed. By now everyone knows I play these games and are more impressed that I'm pretty good at them. Many of my friends have had a go at playing and failed miserably and while they still don't like the music I've shown some songs that are likeable. Some people occasionally ask to borrow my PSVita to try playing. I've also met a couple more people who like Vocaloid at conventions and at school (I study Japanese at University level so most people know who Miku is there!) So, disapproval doesn't have to be forever and if people care about you they will eventually accept that you like something they don't :)
     
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    I don't care about them, but there's only one thing i can see or know from them, they are quick to judge or they are just very average creature.
     
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    Well what's wrong with "average"?

    I love Vocaloid music but of course I have my share of regular Pop, I like listening to some Avril Lavigne, Demi Lovato, Taylor Swift, and some country artists sometimes too. It would certainly be wrong for us to label them for they're tastes just as the small few of them have to us. And I feel it's ok to be quick to judge when it comes to music (to an extent), if someone would rather listen to music in a language they can understand, so be it.
     
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    Mutual respect between people is what helps the world become better, animosity is what divides it. I see it this way: "You like what you like and I like what I like, end of story."

    I have been listening to Japanese music for years, ever since I was first able to. Although some may not agree with what I like to listen to, I respect them for having that difference in opinion.
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    [Off Topic Comment] I don't think I've ever really explained this before, so I would like to elaborate for a moment. I've said it on here before, it's rare when I listen to English spoken music. Now most people tend to think that's because I don't like music in my own language. The truth is that I just prefer to listen to Japanese music. I like the variety of artists that country has a lot more than what's over here. However that doesn't mean that I won't listen to an English artist every once and a while. I grew up listening to English spoken music and there are many songs and bands I've enjoyed. I'm still discovering new English speaking artists, this past year alone I learned about a couple of new artists thanks to Almeria ^^
     
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    I've been listening to Japanese music for more than 30 years now, since I was a toddler. ^_^;; Same amount of time as I've been exposed to English music. I absolutely adore pop music, idol music, and the like. I love electronic and dance music of all sorts. I've always been very avid into the production and composition side of music. So with these things being said: it was natural that I would fall in love with Vocaloid. Luckily, I've always had close friends who were into Japanese music and pop music in general. So it's not too hard for me to run this stuff across most of them. Although despite them trying it out, I think very few of my friends have actually gotten really "into" Vocaloid music so to speak (as more than just a casual/passing interest)...

    Part of that could be the stigma that is attached to it. In America, there is an idea that Vocaloid is just for weeaboos. So even the most open-minded people, often, can have a hard time convincing themselves to give it a fair chance. For me it was never an issue; I'm about as objective and open a person as you'll find. Not to mention that, for a true fan of pop music at its core, there is no way they won't find some sampling of Vocaloid songs that will speak to them (if they actually take the time to try enough of a variety out. There's such a spectrum out there to choose from.) I was a fan of it from the start, but sadly I can't expect everyone else to be able to look beyond the stigma. Thankfully I've met some fellow fans here today. You guys know more about it than I do, judging by the other threads, haha.

    There's nothing wrong with that. In the past few decades, Japan has been producing much better (and much more) pop music than either America or Europe has. So in that, it makes sense. You're not being biased towards/against a particular language, just being "biased towards good pop music." As we all should be. America does still have some fantastic pop acts nowadays; they are just few and far between. Europe has quite a bit more, but nothing like the variety and breadth that Japan has been offering in these same few decades.
     
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    Who gives a fuck about them? Just listen and do things that YOU like feel better.

    I'm used to convive with normal people and people who dislike Vocaloid or J-pop daily (because i'm a university student / teacher / didatic laboratory monitor) and what i do is only give and receive mutual respect of them and nothing more about.

    Remember this: They doesn't pay your bills, it's only you or your fathers (that ought give respect to your respectively sons/daughters...)
     
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    For me it's kind of strange, the only people I've met who didn't like Vocaloid music were anime fans and even then there are only a select few. They say the same things, like the music isn't too their tastes or its too high pitched then they don't listen to me when I try to tell them not all Vocaloid songs are like that.
    Outside of that a lot of people I encounter recognize and are able to put a name to Miku. One time I met someone that knew her last name and not her first and I still wonder to this day why they remembered the harder and longer part of her name compared to the two syllable first name. "Her name's Hatsune Mi- mi something isn't it?" Maybe they thought Hatsune was her first name or something... They are all pretty open minded about it even if they don't particularly care. It's a start.
     
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    People automatically assume it's the first name because that's the way it's taught here in America. A lot of people don't understand how in other cultures, the order of names, date and time can be different. That's something that should be taught more because it never hurts to understand more of the world you live in.

    My mother doesn't really get the whole Vocaloid franchise but she finds Miku cute. She can't stand the music and often leaves the room if I have a song on. (Though that can be said for anything I'm listening to) Whenever I'm playing a PD game she reminds me of my age as it's a kind of measuring stick for what I should be doing. I sat her down and asked her to play it for a bit...she didn't do that great but she finally understood why I liked the game. She still didn't like the music but we came to an agreement, you can like something regardless of what age you are. I've said it for years but this was the first time I actually did something about it and it felt good.
     
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    purple hair...
    really?
     
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