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Main diffrence between PD1 and PD2/Extend

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  1. St0n3

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    #1 St0n3, Oct 10, 2013
    I exported the files from all this games for corpasion.

    First thing i noticed is that
    PD1 use AFS archive format and both PD2/Extend use cpk archive format.
    Unlike in PD2/Extend ScriptingFiles is located in the Data asf file isntead in PSP_GAME\USRDIR\media\afs\

    I also extracted the audio files
    The background sound is stored Data files in both games and in the audio files - The structure is absolutely same but there is one big diffrence. Unlike PD2/Extend PV's audio has no vocals.

    Model structure is somehow diffrent because PD1 is lagging on JPCSP and PD2/Extend is not. Maybe the first game is designed to use PSP power much as possible while PD2/Extend doesnt use so much energy or maybe is just because my shitty computer - who knows.. Also PD1 models looks glitchy in PD2/Extend.

    Well thats all.
     
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    #2 codestation, Oct 11, 2013
    PD1 mutes the vocaloid when you fail a note, thats why the music is separated from the voice (the feature was removed from PD2/Extend). There are only a Rin/Len voice tracks for two songs, the rest are for Miku.
     
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    #3 St0n3, Oct 12, 2013
    I can't find the acapelas so maybe this game really does use original vocaloid voicebanks
     
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    #4 BaseNumbers, Oct 12, 2013
    ProjectDivaOST has the acapella files and offvocal files from PD1, I'm not sure who ripped them. (MikuHatsune?)
     
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    #5 St0n3, Oct 12, 2013
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    #6 MikuHatsune, Oct 14, 2013
    ProjectDIVAOST is my 2nd YouTube channel. i ripped the song files from the first game with a extract tool and converted them via winamp plugin into mp3.
    I could do this for PJD 2 and extend aswell but I'd Need the song files from the DT extend PS3 Version to do so, because those are missing in the PSP Versions.

    about the filenames, here's the readme file I made for mp3 Download requests i shared Long time ago on YouTube.
    Code:
     PPPPPPP  RRRRRRR   OOOOOO        JJ EEEEEEEE  CCCCCC  TTTTTTTT
 PP    PP RR    RR OO    OO       JJ EE       CC    CC    TT
 PP    PP RR    RR OO    OO       JJ EE       CC          TT
 PPPPPPP  RRRRRRR  OO    OO       JJ EEEEEE   CC          TT
 PP       RR  RR   OO    OO JJ    JJ EE       CC          TT
 PP       RR   RR  OO    OO JJ    JJ EE       CC    CC    TT
 PP       RR    RR  OOOOOO   JJJJJJ  EEEEEEEE  CCCCCC     TT

 DDDDDDD  IIII VV    VV   AAAA        OOOOOO   SSSSSS  TTTTTTTT
 DD    DD  II  VV    VV  AA  AA      OO    OO SS    SS    TT
 DD    DD  II  VV    VV AA    AA  @  OO    OO SS          TT
 DD    DD  II  VV    VV AAAAAAAA     OO    OO  SSSSSS     TT
 DD    DD  II   VV  VV  AA    AA  @  OO    OO       SS    TT
 DD    DD  II    VVVV   AA    AA     OO    OO SS    SS    TT
 DDDDDDD  IIII    VV    AA    AA      OOOOOO   SSSSSS     TT

================================================================
            http://www.youtube.com/ProjectDIVAOST
================================================================

     Hatsune Miku - Project DIVA : © 2009-2010 SEGA Japan
            Homepage: miku.sega.jp (Japanese Only)
              Songs are © by their Songwriters


        Archive packed and uploaded by ProjectDIVAOST
         Please don't use these files without credit
                   the original Songwriters.

       You can post your video as a video response too
                   for getting more Views.
  Post a Fandub as a video response to my Off Vocal version
    or a Song Remix to the Normal or my Acapella version.

          Don't forget to rate & comment my videos
               and/or subcribe to my channel!

                 Visit my Main Account too!
             http://www.youtube.com/Darkoli1987


                          File List:
          -----------------------------------------

  BGM 0100000.adx - Love is War Off Vocal
  BGM 0100001.adx - Love is War Acapella
  BGM 0200000.adx - World is Mine Off Vocal
  BGM 0200001.adx - World is Mine Acapella
  BGM 0300000.adx - That One Second Slow Motion Off Vocal
  BGM 0300001.adx - That One Secons Slow Motion Acapella
  BGM 0400000.adx - The Rebel Off Vocal
  BGM 0400001.adx - The Rebel Acapella
  BGM 0500000.adx - Melt Off Vocal
  BGM 0500001.adx - Melt Acapella
  BGM 0600000.adx - Far Away Off Vocal
  BGM 0600001.adx - Far Away Acapella
  BGM 0700000.adx - Strobo Nights Off Vocal
  BGM 0700001.adx - Strobo Nights Acapella
  BGM 0800000.adx - Star Story Off Vocal
  BGM 0800001.adx - Star Story Acapella
  BGM 0900000.adx - Last Night, Good Night Off Vocal
  BGM 0900001.adx - Last Night, Good Night Acapella
  BGM 1000000.adx - Packaged Off Vocal
  BGM 1000001.adx - Packaged Acapella
  BGM 1100000.adx - Sweet*Drops After the Rain Off Vocal
  BGM 1100001.adx - Sweet*Drops After the Rain Acapella
  BGM 1200000.adx - Marginal Off Vocal
  BGM 1200001.adx - Marginal Acapella
  BGM 1300000.adx - Bad Moon Waltz Off Vocal
  BGM 1300001.adx - Bad Moon Waltz Acapella
  BGM 1400000.adx - Miracle Paint Off Vocal
  BGM 1400001.adx - Miracle Paint Acapella
  BGM 1500000.adx - Dreaming Leaf -Dreaming Words- Off Vocal
  BGM 1500001.adx - Dreaming Leaf -Dreaming Words- Acapella
  BGM 1600000.adx - V O C @ L O I D  in Love Off Vocal
  BGM 1600001.adx - V O C @ L O I D  in Love Acapella
  BGM 1700000.adx - Song of Wastelands, Forests and Magic Off Vocal
  BGM 1700001.adx - Song of Wastelands, Forests and Magic Acapella
  BGM 17 200000.adx - Song of Wastelands, Forests and Magic (Len ver.) Off Vocal
  BGM 17 200001.adx - Song of Wastelands, Forests and Magic (Len ver.) Acapella
  BGM 17 300000.adx - Song of Wastelands, Forests and Magic (Rin ver.) Off Vocal
  BGM 17 300001.adx - Song of Wastelands, Forests and Magic (Rin ver.) Acapella
  BGM 1800000.adx - Song of Life Off Vocal
  BGM 1800001.adx - Song of Life Acapella
  BGM 18 200000.adx - Song of Life (Len ver.) Off Vocal
  BGM 18 200001.adx - Song of Life (Len ver.) Acapella
  BGM 18 300000.adx - Song of Life (Rin ver.) Off Vocal
  BGM 18 300001.adx - Song of Life (Rin ver.) Acapella
  BGM 1900000.adx - Hato / White Dove Off Vocal
  BGM 1900001.adx - Hato / White Dove Acapella
  BGM 2000000.adx - moon Off Vocal
  BGM 2000001.adx - moon Acapella
  BGM 2100000.adx - Beware of Miku Miku Bacteria Off Vocal
  BGM 2100001.adx - Beware of Miku Miku Bacteria Acapella
  BGM 2200000.adx - The secret garden Off Vocal
  BGM 2200001.adx - The secret garden Acapella
  BGM 2300000.adx - Dear cocoa girls Off Vocal
  BGM 2300001.adx - Dear cocoa girls Acapella
  BGM 2400000.adx - Velvet Arabesque Off Vocal
  BGM 2400001.adx - Velvet Arabesque Acapella
  BGM 2500000.adx - Updating Your Love List? Off Vocal
  BGM 2500001.adx - Updating Your Love List? Acapella
  BGM 2600000.adx - Rain of Cherry Blossoms - standard edit - Off Vocal
  BGM 2600001.adx - Rain of Cherry Blossoms - standard edit - Acapella
  BGM 2700000.adx - Ievan Polkka Off Vocal
  BGM 2700001.adx - Ievan Polkka Acapella
  BGM 2800000.adx - Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru / I'll Make You Do the Miku Miku (You'll Do It) Off Vocal
  BGM 2800001.adx - Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru / I'll Make You Do the Miku Miku (You'll Do It) Acapella
  BGM 2900000.adx - Golden Holy Night Rotting into the Frost and Snow (Requiem for the Phantasma) Off Vocal
  BGM 2900001.adx - Golden Holy Night Rotting into the Frost and Snow (Requiem for the Phantasma) Acapella
  BGM 3000000.adx - Electric Angel Off Vocal
  BGM 3000001.adx - Electric Angel Acapella
  BGM 3100000.adx - Your Diva Off Vocal
  BGM 3100001.adx - Your Diva Acapella
  BGM 3200000.adx - The Disappearance of Hatsune Miku Off Vocal
  BGM 3200001.adx - The Disappearance of Hatsune MIku Acapella
     
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    #7 St0n3, Oct 16, 2013
    If these files are missing on the PSP version how the game works?
    Maybe the PSP version really does have voicebanks...
     
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    #8 codestation, Oct 16, 2013
    Maybe your unpacker is old/bugged. I extracted them a long time ago and made mp3 of the songs by combining the off vocals with the acapella files.
     
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    #9 St0n3, Oct 17, 2013
    Content of DivaSoundList.afs

    17.10.2013 г. 07:14 <DIR> .
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    23.04.2009 г. 16:28 10 438 656 BGM_42.aix
    10.05.2009 г. 18:16 9 594 880 BGM_43.aix
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    23.04.2009 г. 16:28 7 127 040 BGM_46.aix
    22.04.2009 г. 18:46 30 826 496 BGM_47.aix
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    #10 MikuHatsune, Oct 21, 2013
    The "BGM_XX.aix" number 33-47 are the Bonus Songs which are only available in Miku's Room and the Edit Mode. Those don't have off vocals or acapellas.
    The "Sound_XX.aix" files are song-files from menus, title Screen or Sound effects from the game.
     
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    #11 St0n3, Oct 28, 2013
    Apparently PD F for PS3 also use double tracks with ogg format.
    I can't find the accapelas anyway :/
     
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    #12 OkpOkpX2, Oct 31, 2013
    Both Vita/PS3 version use seperated audio files except for Nostalogic and DYE c:
    PD1 models are higer poly than 2nd and Extend but have worse textures, for 2nd and Extend is the opposite.
    PD1 lags on your pc maybe because of how it was programmed, the game suffers from horrid FPS drops.
    PD1 Miku model has tie bones while PD2nd and Extend models don't 'cause they deleted them to give the models eye bones.
    All of the 3 Miku models have only 3 bones per ponytail, the only thing that changes is the way it was rigged.
    The 3 PD games only use 27% of the PSP graphical power.
    The alpha PD engine was better (higher polygon models with more bones and more details) but somehow they decided to change it.
    The game lacks of shading, physics, and illumination effects.
    All of the PD series models don't have finger bones, they're morphs/expressions.
    The models are separated in 2 (head file and body file).
    Megurine Luka was not planned to be in the game, she was a last minute decision.
    The alpha engine supported alpha textures and normal maps.
     
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    #13 St0n3, Nov 1, 2013
    So thats why her hair psyhics looks so horrible
     
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    #14 Dyspnia, Nov 2, 2013
    1: Aren't 2nd/Ext modules higher poly than the original? If you even look at the hair of the original, you can tell it's more jagged and liney compared to the newer ones.
    2: Because you're supposed to be playing this on a PSP.
    3: May I ask where you got this info?
    4: Info again?

    I'd really like to know where you got some of this info to make these assumptions. PD 2nd/Ext isn't a step backwards from 1, it had many improvements over it's predecessor.
     
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    #15 St0n3, Nov 7, 2013
    I run Project Diva 1nd and 2nd version of ""Miracle paint" using "Miku Original" module one after one using 2 diffrent emulators (PPSSPP and JPCSP).

    Screeshot from PD 1st [​IMG] Screenshot from PD 2nd[​IMG]


    Seems like Project Diva 1st models are much better then 2nd/extend's ones..

    If you not notice the diffrence
    http://imgur.com/uCgT0lr,PYHmo8y#0
     
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    #16 Dyspnia, Nov 7, 2013
    Well either way, they aren't that much higher poly to make a differance, and the 2nd/Extend models look MUCH better than it's original as everything appears much smoother in textures and everything isn't as jagged and seems like it wants to stab you.

    Overall though, you've only answered one of my questions.
     
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    #17 OkpOkpX2, Nov 9, 2013
    The 3 PSP games lack of physics simulation.

    1: Nope, Project DIva 1st models have more polygons compared to 2nd & Extend but all of them (the 3 games models) are around 3-5k polys except Luka. Yes, the hair looks smoother but that doesn't make a big difference.
    2: Not just on the PC but also on the PSP, the game suffers of horrid FPS drops because of how it was programmed.
    3/4: If you look deep into the game (teasers, trailers, gameplays, game files/engine) you'll find everything you need to know about the game and how it's constructed.
    *About the graphical power, you can know that by an option (i don't remember from) of the cheats menu.
    *The lack of shadows/shadings/illumination and physics it's kinda obvious.
    *Inside the game files (model folder) each model has 2 files (Skinxxx_Body & Skinxxx_Head)
    *The Luka related thing was discussed on an interview if i'm not wrong.
    *About the alpha textures/models if you see the teaser trailers/early posters or pictures or promotional stuff of the game, you'll notice that SEGA always uses a better looking model for their promotions. (smooth looking models/normal mapping and spherical maps). As for the first models, Miku's first model (The one with light-dark blue hair) it's on the game files but with a different encryption method.

    If you have more questions don't doubt to ask c:
     
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    #18 Dyspnia, Nov 9, 2013
    1:
    Fine, you win, I can't personally rip both modules from 1 and 2/ext and compare right now so I'll take your word for it. But when it comes to design choice, the 2/ext Miku looks SO much better than the original.

    2:
    From my personal experience, I don't think I ever encountered horrible FPS drops, are you using the UMD or ISO you extracted on your card?

    3:
    *The physics in the game don't look that horrible honestly. That and we have to think about the limitations of what these models can really do, due to being on a handheld system (of the time).
    *I know about the modules having two models each, head and body, as I mess around with those on a daily basis.
    *If the first engine was better, as you say, then they most likely changed everything for, again, design choice. EX: Miku's tie was a distraction in PD1.
    *I do know that SEGA uses better models for promo items (you can't trick us SEGA, we know that miku isn't http://projectdiva.wikispaces.com/file/ ... _01-1b.png THIS pretty in game).
     
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    #19 OkpOkpX2, Nov 9, 2013
    Like i already said, the games lack of Physics Simulation, the movements were animated by hand.

    I wasn't talking about the engine used in PD1st, i was talking about the first engine they used (the one used on the first teaser or even before).
    The tie bones were removed to add them to the eyes.
    That Miku on the picture you linked above, was the Miku that was going to be used for the game (alpha Miku model), her textures are still on the game files.
     
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    #20 Dyspnia, Nov 9, 2013
    I highly doubt this is the case, you're implying that they moved every piece by hand. That counts skirts, hair, and other parts.
    This would be a tedious task for the creators to do, physics is a solution that creators use that would make this easier and better looking.
    My best evidence of physics:

    See the dresses


    Back of yellow shirt (the long part with the diamonds) and the hair moves more freely


    If this was only the case, then why didn't they add them back into f? The most common belief as to why the tie stops moving is because it was a distraction for players.

    I highly doubt this would've been used for the game, it's WAYYYY too high poly for the PSP to handle. I believe it's just there for promotional purposes to make Miku look gorgeous so we are likely to buy it. It's marketing.
     
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